38: Trump's Nuclear Testing Remarks and the China-Russia Partnership Guest: Anatol Lieven Anatol Lieven discusses President Trump's remark about testing nuclear weapons "on an equal basis" with Russia

Trump's Nuclear Testing Remarks and the China-Russia Partnership Guest: Anatol Lieven Anatol Lieven discusses President Trump's remark about testing nuclear weapons "on an equal basis" with Russia and China, suggesting it likely refers to missile testing rather than actual nuclear detonations. Lieven analyzes the "no limits" China-Russia partnership, noting its inherent contradictions: China refuses to recognize Russia's annexations of Ukrainian territory and fears Russia's complete defeat, though it simultaneously opposes Russia being gravely weakened. Lieven also addresses the controversy regarding NATO-supplied forces in Ukraine identified as extreme ethnic nationalists, particularly the Azov regiment, noting that their military importance to the defense effort makes disbanding them highly unlikely.