68 "Hollow Pursuits" (TNG S3, E21)
Star Trek The Next Conversation - a semi funny trashfire of a Star Trek podcast currently about TV's Deep Space Nine DS9 (or TNG) - Podcast készítő Matt Mira and Andrew Secunda
Matt and Andy spend a lot of time on the Holodeck with their new best friend Reginald Barclay. Only Guinan "gets" them. Episode discussion begins at the 35(isn) minute mark.