Ken LaCorte on Third Parties, Media Culture, and UFOs

This week on Breaking Battlegrounds, Sam and Chuck are joined by friend of the show and former Fox News executive Ken LaCorte. Ken is also the host of the Elephants in Rooms podcast. -Connect with us:www.breakingbattlegrounds.voteTwitter: www.twitter.com/Breaking_BattleFacebook: www.facebook.com/breakingbattlegroundsInstagram: www.instagram.com/breakingbattlegroundsLinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/breakingbattlegrounds-TranscriptionSam Stone: [00:00:11] Welcome to another episode of Breaking Battlegrounds with your host, Chuck Warren. I'm Sam Stone on the line with us today, returning guest and friend of the program, Ken Lacourt. Ken is the host of Elephant in the Room, a fantastic podcast. I highly encourage all of you to check it out. He writes about censorship, media malfeasance, which gives him lots of materials these days. Uncomfortable questions and honest insight for people curious how the world really works, which too often isn't the media these days, is it? Ken? And thank you for joining us. Welcome to the program.Ken LaCourt: [00:00:47] Oh, thanks for having me on again, guys.Chuck Warren: [00:00:48] So I want to talk about a poll that came out today by USA Today on the third party candidate. But the Republicans are elephants, Democrats are donkeys. What would be the animal ascribed to the third party movements? Anyone know you asking me that? Yeah. What should it be? What should it be? They need an animal. I mean, we've got elephants, Republicans, donkeys, Democrats. What? I don't.Sam Stone: [00:01:10] Know. Porcupine. Keep everyone the heck away.Ken LaCourt: [00:01:12] Yeah, and Porcupine used to be. Didn't that used to be a GOP thing from years and years back or.Sam Stone: [00:01:17] It was. Yeah. No. Yeah.Ken LaCourt: [00:01:19] A Whig thing. That wouldn't be too bad. You know, the problem is it'd have to be the disappearing cat. Because as much as we always see a poll out there like that and I mean, look, it's hard to, to bypass the fact that the top two nominees, the top two likely nominees right now, both have about a 33% approval rating in national national polls.Sam Stone: [00:01:41] I saw that in some polling yesterday, Chuck. And I was astounded at how much the country hates both Biden and Trump.Chuck Warren: [00:01:48] Yeah, they're done. So there's a poll that came out today by USA Today. It's done over the fifth and 9th of June and it shows 2024 national general election. Biden 34%, Trump 32, third party, 23. And then another one, Biden 33%. Desantis 26. Third party, 25. Desantis. Just people aren't familiar yet. I mean, I think his numbers are probably the same as Trump. I think he could do better. But so I looked it up and the same time in June in 1992, had Perot at 36%, George Herbert Walker Bush at 30%, and Bill Clinton at 26%. We just recycle. Well.Sam Stone: [00:02:26] Perot was, you know, as much as as much as the media glommed on. I remember that campaign pretty vividly. The media really glommed on Perot. He had a lot to say that was outside of the mainstream of both parties. I think you get a little of that with Vivek Ramaswami, but for the most part, you don't know.Chuck Warren: [00:02:44] So so, Ken, the question is, what do you think? What is the what is the ceiling for a third party candidate in the 2024 general election, do you think?Ken LaCourt: [00:02:53] I think that the the real ceiling is zero because the ceiling in running for president isn't isn't whether you can get 5 or 10% of the votes and and Perot probably got a little bit under he ran twice he probably got a little bit under 20% in 92. And neither time did he get one single vote in the Electoral College. Right. So it a third party is fun to talk about. The system is not designed for that or it's certainly not designed to have one when as we have it shaped right now. And look, the only thing Republicans and Democrats agree on is that either a Republican or a Democrat should be running the country. I mean, they have complete unanimity on that and they design all the rules to help bolster that. So I think any third party candidate, you'd have to look at who is he or she going to take votes away from as opposed to, oh, could this person get elected? It really just doesn't go beyond that.Chuck Warren: [00:03:49] Well, I see. I think Cornel West attempting to get the Green Party nomination could play some havoc in cities like Milwaukee, in Atlanta. Would you would you agree on that?Ken LaCourt: [00:04:01] Yeah. Look, if you can get I mean, look, the trick to putting a third party or having a third party person run where it helps you out is get somebody who you think would siphon votes from your opponent anywhere. So I've seen, for instance, in a in a statewide race in in Hawaii where a green candidate won, siphoned off a decent amount of votes from the Democrat, and it gave a Republican, you know, a chance to win a race in a very, very blue state. So, yeah, certainly I think in any close states, if you said, wow, here is a look, a popular libertarian will pull votes from the Republican. A popular green will pull votes from the Democrats.Chuck Warren: [00:04:43] Agree. All right. Let's talk about CNN. Cnn seems to be I know everybody likes to focus on Fox, but CNN has its own share of problems right now. Tell us a little about our audience, a little bit about that can and what's going on there and what do you foresee for CNN's future?Ken LaCourt: [00:04:59] Well, you know, CNN started this whole game. I mean, right. I mean, I worked at Fox for 20 years. I might not have had that job if it wasn't for Ted Turner and him saying, hey, I got a crazy idea. Let's go. 24 seven with news and they had a monopoly for a very long time. And of course you do well when you have a monopoly, right? We came in, MSNBC came in, and CNN kind of tried to you know, they were always leaning left, but they weren't like hard core left like they've become in the last five, five, seven, ten years, really, five, seven years. So as that as kind of Americans got a little bit more polarized as the media started getting more polarized, they found themselves in a bad position. Msnbc was was pulling in the hard core Dems, Fox News was pulling in conservatives, and they kept diminishing in the Trump years. Cnn did great. I mean, it's like, you know, people rage. Watch Donald Trump and that helps ratings. It helps money. It helps all sorts of things. I mean, you know, the Never Trumpers, you know, the professional never Trumpers out there.Ken LaCourt: [00:06:02] They're praying that he runs again. So they did okay during that. But then when he you know, then when he was off the stage, their numbers just went in the toilet. And I mean, you know, people are saying, my gosh, Fox News numbers are down after the whole Tucker thing. And they're right. But I looked at the numbers yesterday, the lowest rated original show, not repeat, but the lowest rated show on Fox News is Trace Gallagher Show because it's on at midnight, midnight Eastern, Trace Gallagher's lowest rated show beat every single hour of CNN during the day, every one of their prime time shows just, you know, it towered over all of those. So CNN has a ratings problem, but they're still making money. I mean, that's another dirty secret is is they're probably they're probably profiting a billion bucks a year even with those crappy ratings. So, you know, but look, they've become they've become like what people always accused Fox of. They've become you know, they're not fair and balanced journalists. They are hard.Sam Stone: [00:07:01] It's an ideological echo.Ken LaCourt: [00:07:02] Chamber, ideological driven thing. So the new the new guy went in and said that he had the support of David Zaslav, who is the is the chairman or CEO of Discovery, which owns that, but he's also a corporate guy who's not going to you know, these guys look out for themselves before they look out for anything else. So Chris Licht went and was told to, you know, make it more moderate. Let's go back to getting kind of both sides in. Let's not be a hard core. Let's even if it costs us a little bit of ratings and money in the meantime, let's do this. Well, he did that and tried that. Really, he did more talking about it than actually accomplishing something. And all the lefties and all the lefties at CNN, which is 90% of the staff, freaked the hell out. And how could he do this and how could he do that? And it was a drama, you know, And then he stupidly lets a, you know, a mainstream reporter walk around and follow him for two weeks with a tape recorder recording every single stupid thing he says. And that was kind of the final, don't you?Chuck Warren: [00:08:00] Don't you find don't you find that I find that interesting. He did that. And you find this with candidates a lot. They always just think they're smarter than the person following them with a tape recorder.Ken LaCourt: [00:08:09] You know, it never works. Never, never. And, you know, part of it is these people are because I just did a longer one on that. It wasn't about me, although then it turned out to be me by some scumbag reporter. And they're they're nice people. They're engaging, they're smart. You have like, good intellectual conversations with them and you think that it's going along okay, and then they get their, you know, their 50 hours of tape and say, okay, where did this guy say something that I can twist into making it look like he's a whatever ist? Or if there is these days he's a racist, he's a homophobic, he's a this, he's a that.Sam Stone: [00:08:45] Looking at it.Ken LaCourt: [00:08:46] That's what their game.Sam Stone: [00:08:47] Looking at it from the outside. I really felt like Licht and Donald Trump essentially made the same mistake, which is they didn't realize how deeply they had to clean house on day one to have any chance at all. I think he had a lot of arrogant mistakes. He clearly overestimated himself. But start right there. Well, look, it's.Chuck Warren: [00:09:05] The same problem. You know, Republicans now, their big thing is we're going to move FBI out of DC. We're going to clean up the Department of Justice. The problem is you can't clean up any of these unless you have a wholesale cleaning out of the house, because when you still leave people behind, they have their loyalties. Am I wrong on that, Ken?Ken LaCourt: [00:09:21] No, you're absolutely right. And what you it's more difficult to do in the federal government because you can't just fire everybody at the Doe. You you can only you can only affect the handful of top politically appointed jobs and everybody else is protected. Look, when the when the Murdochs took over Fox and they did this to the Wall Street Journal and they've done this, they went about very quickly in changing the corporate culture. And that's why Fox is kind of wussy these days. So what does that mean? Well, part of it is they with The Wall Street Journal, they physically moved the company. You used to have offices here. Now you have offices down the street. And that just it signals to everybody this is a different place. This is a different you know, it's all different. Well, at Fox, they did the same thing. They didn't move them physically. But like Roger Ailes office doesn't exist anymore. The entire second floor where all the executive. Fox is now a newsroom. So they just gutted it, made all of the trappings of the past gone and they and they redid it. Second thing is, is you go in and you take over. And this is why so many companies are are so woke around the world or the country at least is you take over the HR department and you get them doing different things and you get them treating treating people differently and instilling whatever values you try to bring in there. So Fox News now and this just came out is you know they've got they get pride month and and you know trans trans crossword puzzles for the employees I mean there's all sorts of just kind of like you're really going on at Fox. So they needed to change that corporate culture and said he went out and talked about doing it and then just it just it just bounced off. But look, this is a this is a guy who'd never really run anything larger than a show. So even if he kind of had good editorial chops, he probably didn't have deep management chops.Chuck Warren: [00:11:11] Well, and and again, it's one of these things and this this story as old as time. You know, he comes in, you have the owner of it, Time Warner, say, you have our support. You do what you need to do. You have our support. So he goes in, like you said, he doesn't have experience. He's fumbling through it, but he's making changes. The powers that be that stayed are hairs up on the back of their neck. And guess what? Time Warner said, Oh, no, it's just too much disruption. We can't do it. And that's why things don't change.Sam Stone: [00:11:39] He also had, to me, a fatal flaw in that he wanted, as most people do, he wanted to be liked. Yeah. And coming into that job, you can't consider that.Chuck Warren: [00:11:49] No, no. The Roger. The Roger Ailes cared if he was liked or not.Ken LaCourt: [00:11:53] They used to joke that that, you know, Republicans never get invited to parties in New York City and he just didn't care. But that's but that's really that's really important to be liked by. He wanted to be liked by Rupert Murdoch. And he was always very clear. He's like, Rupert doesn't keep me around because he really likes me. He likes me because I hit my numbers every quarter.Chuck Warren: [00:12:14] And which is which is business. Which is business, right?Ken LaCourt: [00:12:18] They look, if they really wanted to make those changes, they should have told Chris to go in, do some wholesale firings. You know, he did a couple of little shiftings. It's like we take Don Lemon and we put him in the morning show and it's like, well, you got rid of the fat kid, Brian Stelter.Chuck Warren: [00:12:32] It's like it's like the guy in the subway, red cups. I mean, he.Sam Stone: [00:12:34] Was like the easiest. Stelter was like the easiest guy in the world to fire. Folks. We're going to be coming back with more in just a moment. Breaking battlegrounds. Be sure to go to breaking battlegrounds, vote. Download all of our past episodes. You can check those out there. We're on Substack, Spotify, all the various places, Apple Podcasts, everywhere you get your podcasts, breaking battlegrounds is there. And we're back in a moment. Welcome back to Breaking battlegrounds with your host, Chuck Warren. I'm Sam Stone. Hey, folks, are you looking for a great way to earn a fantastic return on your money and actually do good by doing well for yourself? You need to check out investyrefycom that's invest the letter y then refy.com? They are taking distressed student loans. They're refinancing them. You can actually invest in what they're doing. You can earn up to a 10.25% fixed annual rate of return and you're helping a student get out of debt, get their credit back online. This is the the most basic form of capitalism. One person with a need, another person with an opportunity coming together to help each other. So check out investyrefy.com or give them a call at 888 y Refy 24 and tell them Chuck and Sam sent you.Chuck Warren: [00:13:52] Can I want to ask a question here? If you were running any Republican opponent in the primary against Donald Trump, what is the message you would be selling to people or is there a message that would even work? Do you think?Ken LaCourt: [00:14:06] That's a tough one? I actually think that the DeSantis is. I'm not sure if his delivery is as good as it needs to be for him to really rise and be a captivating and charismatic candidate. But I think the concept but but I think his overall platform is good, which is I did stuff I didn't just sit out and give a speech on here and complain about something. I actually made the government work for us. And whether that was in changing some of the education things, both in keeping keeping, you know, gay gay salutes to the flags out of third grade classes. What did that he made some changes on the on the on the one what was it the one institution that they had that was a college that they had where he changed some things around. Right.Sam Stone: [00:14:54] He's the University of South Florida, I think it was. Yeah.Ken LaCourt: [00:14:58] So I think that that's actually a good thing because, you know, a decent comeback to Trump is, you know, you set a lot of great things, but the wall ain't there. And Omarosa didn't change whatever agency she was trying to do. And you fired half of your staff and hate them all. And, you know, you have good ideas and you're solid for that. But let's start winning. And you haven't done that except for one election. And that that concept, I think, you know, Republican, you could go to Republicans and say if you really want to upset Washington, elect somebody who can not only win the next campaign, but actually institute what they believe.Chuck Warren: [00:15:36] Exactly.Ken LaCourt: [00:15:37] That's not a terrible that's not a terrible.Chuck Warren: [00:15:39] No. Yeah, the proof's in the pudding type thing. All right. Let's talk quickly here. The one thing that really put DeSantis on the map is how he handled Covid. Now, you know, Jack Kemp, Governor Kemp did the same thing, but not quite with the fanfare. Ron was a little more in-your-face about it.Sam Stone: [00:15:55] In fairness, Ron was further out front of him. He kind of broke the trail. But him and Christie Noem.Chuck Warren: [00:16:01] Yeah, Kemp Kemp will argue with that. But my point is on the so Covid really was what put him on the map in a lot of ways. And there's a new book out by the Institute for Economic Affairs in London called Title Did Lockdowns Work The Verdict on Covid restrictions? And it is a slap against the government bureaucracy, against government health organizations. The quote from the book says, When it comes to Covid, models have many things in common dubious assumptions, hair raising predictions of disaster that miss the mark and few lessons learned. The science of lockdowns is clear. The data the data is in the life saved were a drop in the bucket compared to the staggering collateral cost imposed. And they say, for example, Neil Ferguson's infamous Imperial College of London model predicted lockdowns would avoid 1.7 to 2.1 million Covid deaths. The study actually finds that it reduced Covid deaths from 4300 to 15,000. Do you think being in the news business, how do you think they should have handled it? Now I get the first two weeks, all hell is breaking loose, right? They don't know. Right. But what do you think they should have done after a month or two months in the news business and handling Covid because they just didn't know It was like a moving target all the time and they weren't honest about it.Ken LaCourt: [00:17:16] On the news side or on the government.Chuck Warren: [00:17:17] Side? Both. Let's do news first. What you're really familiar with.Ken LaCourt: [00:17:21] Well, I mean. You know, news likes to scare you. Yes. And they don't sit around in their meetings and say that say, oh, how do we how do we frighten people from going from sending their kids to school? Because there was a school shooter here. They don't talk or even think in those ways, but it just kind of has the same effect. They sit around and say, what's a what's a oh, that's a very, very interesting story. Oh, that scares me. So part of it is that baked into their model is scaring the heck out of you look. But what was so on on on this was it just got caught up in. Trump Yes. Trump No, I mean, if you tell me who you voted for, I could tell you what you think about hydroxychloroquine or any of these pills. And the media was just as bad. So I think that they brought their banner. Trump doesn't wear a mask. He's a murderer mask. You know, everybody has to have a mask. Stay home. And I think that that that politics kind of override all of that. And if somebody would have had the.Ken LaCourt: [00:18:24] The.Ken LaCourt: [00:18:26] Time and the attitude to kind of be in the center on that. But I tell you, it is hard to win in the cable news game or the or the news game in general being a a centrist. Fair and balanced type person. That's not the stuff that people share. It's not what they want to watch. They don't want to watch the news shows. They want to watch Sean Hannity or Rachel Maddow kicking the other side in the teeth. And it's easy to blame the media, but the media is reflecting what we click on and what we turn on.Chuck Warren: [00:18:56] I'm thinking I'm going to make a I have a perfect example. So I was in DC this week and met with a friend who he used to play in the NHL. He's been the national marketing person for Adidas. I mean, he's a man about town, right? And we were there for these Icahn conferences and he was just talking about how disappointed he was on the news, not being more balanced and things of that nature. And then everything he fed me was from a MoveOn.org email. I mean, everything was so extreme. But in his mind, I'm being fair and balanced. There's just these crazy people. And like, he wouldn't even acknowledge that why we have our nut jobs on the right side. The left has more than their fair share as well. Actually, there are studies that show left wing activists are basically nuts and narcissists, right? I mean, there's actually studies on it. But he just didn't want to realize that fact. And you're right. So they they sell what they think is reasonable, but it's really just feeding what they already believe or want to believe.Ken LaCourt: [00:19:55] Yeah, I mean, that's that's what we click. That's what we share. That's what we talk about with our spouses when we get home. And it's a it's a model that is is not helping us overall, but it's kind of hard to point to the bad people in it.Sam Stone: [00:20:09] Guys. I you know, I actually think it was a little more nefarious than that with Covid because you clearly have this really deep connection between the two leading news agencies from which all other news agencies get their information. The Washington Post and The New York Times, with federal high level officials at a handful of federal agencies. And I really felt like they were playing this game where they were trying on the federal end to manipulate Donald Trump and then attack him for everything they were manipulating him into doing. I mean, call me a conspiracy theorist for that, but I really think the entire Covid narrative came is what it is and was what it was because they were trying to get rid of Donald Trump.Ken LaCourt: [00:20:55] Yeah, it's hard to kind of read people's hearts at a certain point. I can say that when I sit in political meetings on the left or the right, I see more people just wrongly, How do I say I see less nefariousness and more like people convincing themselves that they are saving lives, for instance, in this debate. So I suspect when you go in there, it's like, you know, when Trump doesn't wear a mask, he's killing people. Yeah, he's a murderer. Stop this. We got to do this. So, you know, it's usually easier and it's to say, well, they're probably all, you know, Soros types. And I don't want to I don't want to act like that doesn't exist there. I usually find that I usually find that people they they fool themselves into into thinking that they're going after the greater good, even if even if they're wrong.Sam Stone: [00:21:43] And we'll be coming back with more breaking battlegrounds in just a moment here. And more from Ken Lacourt. Folks, be sure to check out his podcast, Elephant in the Room, Breaking Battlegrounds. Back with more in just a moment. Welcome back to Breaking battlegrounds with your host, Chuck Warren. I'm Sam Stone. On the line with us right now, media expert Ken LeCourt. Check him out at Elephant in the Room, his fantastic podcast.Chuck Warren: [00:22:15] Ken, UFOs, are they real?Ken LaCourt: [00:22:20] You know, I don't know. But up until two weeks ago, I would have said, yeah, look, there may be other life and there probably is other life in other planets, but but not here. And you know, every person who's talking about UFOs, you know, they don't really look like the most intelligent person. And when they've done talking about UFOs, then they tell me about, you know, the Jews brought down the Twin Towers. And I started hearing all sorts of crazy conspiracies. But some weird stuff is going on. And the biggest thing is some news that has been just really ignored in almost all the mainstream press. And it's that a fairly high level national security, defense, intelligence guy who worked on some of this stuff came out with some just crazy concept saying, eh, that the United States has multiple alien crafts in its possession and is reverse engineering and has this stuff out there. So that was the essence of his claim. And you normally just say, forget it. But this was a guy who had the, you know, a GS 15 clearance who has has serious, serious people saying you should listen to this guy because he's he's real like a general and the former head scientist at at at one of our one of our top agencies he filed a whistleblower complaint, a complaint that he actually helped write the law for for UFO whistleblowers, which they now call UAP, unidentified aerial phenomena.Ken LaCourt: [00:23:52] And you can't dismiss him as a nut. Now, maybe he just took a whole a whole lifetime of being a serious guy and having high level government security clearances and whatnot, and just decided to lie and sell some books going on, although he may go to jail if that's the case, because he's given some specific testimony to Congress and he's going back and they're they're they've announced that they'll have some House oversight hearings on this. And he alleges that basically parts of the government and private industry really, really like that. It's kept at some of these these large defense contractors have been misleading the government have been lying about how they're spending money. And that's the basis of his of his of his whistle whistleblower lawsuit. Well, not a.Sam Stone: [00:24:37] Lawsuit, Ken. One thing that made me believe him more when this came out is the admission. You know, if you go back in 2020, the Air Force admitted that they've had numerous encounters with what they identified as uaps, unidentified aerial phenomenon aircraft or some type of craft moving in ways that atmospheric flight craft cannot move. Right. And they actually put out some of those videos. And then here you have this guy coming along with testimony from a slightly different agency and angle, but it's certainly not contradictory information. So yeah, I'm putting on the tinfoil on this one.Ken LaCourt: [00:25:16] And and yeah, it's kind of weird. It's just, you know, to have your mind kind of ripped into two two directions, neither of which should be true or should be believable without with our current understanding of life. But yeah, look, NASA, NASA held a hearing two weeks ago where they showed some of that some of those footage of metal spheres that are flying through the air and doing weird things and they're like, We have these on visual, we have these on on radar, we have these on multiple sensor type of systems. So we don't think it's, you know, we think that these things are actually real and we really can't explain it. And then it puts so many past guys that you said, Oh, he was a nut, he's a nut. She's a nut into into a little bit better perspective. It makes you scratch your head.Chuck Warren: [00:26:00] There's some there's some ponytail guy in a trailer in Nevada and Northern California saying, I told everybody I was right. I told everybody I was right.Sam Stone: [00:26:07] If resurrection is real, we need someone to pull Art Bell out of the ground right now.Chuck Warren: [00:26:11] By the way, I want to bring up something funny that just cracks me up. So the S&P global to the London Stock Exchange. Tobacco companies are crushing Tesla and the ESG ratings. I mean, is this ESG the biggest joke around or what?Ken LaCourt: [00:26:27] It's a it's a scam. It's a scam, and it's from A to Z.Chuck Warren: [00:26:32] I mean I mean, the left hates Elon Musk and he's made what they want a reality efficient electric vehicles. And he has a lower rating than tobacco companies. I mean, are we that crazy?Chuck Warren: [00:26:45] I mean, those poor.Chuck Warren: [00:26:46] Guys in the trailers.Ken LaCourt: [00:26:47] Hitler was a vegan. I mean, they they've got a problem because they and I live right outside of San Francisco. You know, they love this guy. Up until about six months ago when he started doing things they didn't like. It's been funny to watch him go from from oh, my gosh. Ellen is is the ideal man, too. He's a mega nut job. It's been hilarious.Sam Stone: [00:27:08] Can we have just one minute left? Tell folks how they can stay in touch and follow and support all your great work.Ken LaCourt: [00:27:15] So best thing is YouTube. Elephants in rooms I put together. Look, I'm a huge believer that there are just so many conversations, like some of what we've had right here that you're just not supposed to have. And we should. And whether it's, you know, a lot of that is race based, a lot of that is just is is things that you're not supposed to say aloud, but it actually hurts people in the long run if you don't. So elephants in rooms Lacourt and you can find.Chuck Warren: [00:27:44] Me on there. Ken, let's get you out to Arizona. Have you in the studio?Ken LaCourt: [00:27:47] I'd love to. My daughter lives up up in Prescott, so I'd love to beat it.Chuck Warren: [00:27:50] Get on out here. Thanks a lot, buddy. All right, guys.Sam Stone: [00:28:04] Welcome back to Breaking Battlegrounds with your host, Chuck Warren and Sam Stone. We want to thank Ken Lacourt for the fantastic interview today. Really appreciate having him on there. Folks, make sure you catch up with his podcast, Elephant in the Room also, but be sure to download ours as well. Go on Substack Spotify. Go to our website Breaking battlegrounds. Upvote You can find all our past episodes there. Fantastic opportunity for you to stay informed about things that are happening in the world and the unique insights from some of our fantastic guests. While you're doing that, maybe think a little bit about your financial future and considering investing with refi. Why? Refi is a due diligence approved firm. You can earn up to a 10.25% fixed rate of return. That's right. 10.25%. Just go to investyrefy.com. That's the letter. That's invest the letter y, then refyfy.com or give them a call at 888Yrefy 24 and tell them Chuck and Sam sent you.Chuck Warren: [00:29:01] Well, what, uh, what a pleasure to have Ken on a little bit longer format today. He's always interesting and keeps up on the news and I enjoy his newsletter. It's succinct. He I think he and Eric Erickson do a fantastic job summarizing just some of the highlights of the day and, you know, provide a link to the article. And it's great.Sam Stone: [00:29:22] Reading. I think he's he's one of those sources that if you're looking for honest news in the world, it's a great place to elephant in the room is a great place to go start with, you know, the stuff that's not going to get covered on CNN or at least not be covered fairly and honestly, Chuck, I love the longer format with guests. I like having kind of a little bit more time for these interviews so we can flesh out the discussion a little.Chuck Warren: [00:29:46] Well, it's funny, when I was in DC this week, I got in yesterday, I was meeting with some communications press secretaries for congressmen, and they were excited that we do longer than five minute interviews like you do 20, 30 minutes and they call that long format. And I, I don't view it as long format, but they do.Sam Stone: [00:30:04] I got to tell you, I actually always feel rushed because there's so much good information that we're getting from our guests. I agree.Chuck Warren: [00:30:11] I mean, especially Congressman Dunn, that you had on. I mean, you could have been a whole hour with him.Sam Stone: [00:30:16] I would love to have done the whole hour with him. And that, folks, by the way, if you're listening to this on one of the Salem radio networks, call into your local station and tell them if you're getting in this on a podcast, call your local station. Tell them you want to have breaking battlegrounds on the air and tell them you want us to be on for two hours. I mean, if they're going to put us on there for two hours, we'll be here for two hours talking to you and we'll be talking to some fantastic guests doing it.Chuck Warren: [00:30:39] So a couple of topics I want to discuss that we did not discuss with Ken. Let's first talk about something regarding Arizona. There is a new measure to put an initiative on the ballot regarding public transportation Folks, What we have currently, and I think it's been around, what, a decade or two, so.Sam Stone: [00:30:54] Actually 40 years now.Chuck Warren: [00:30:56] 40 years. We have a half a cent sales tax, a half.Sam Stone: [00:30:58] A cent sales.Chuck Warren: [00:30:59] Tax to transportation, which in a lot of ways, if you're believe in federalism and state rights, you know, the state should cover their highways and their transportation. Right? And Sam, maybe I'm wrong. I know you follow this much more closely than I do. What we have is they have language they want to put on the ballot. And Katie Hobbs. Wants more for light rail.Sam Stone: [00:31:24] Basically, yeah. So, so this is really interesting. And I know folks, if you're listening out there in another state, you might think, Hey, this doesn't really apply to me. They're just talking about Arizona. But no, this is a discussion that's happening in every state and every city. Every county right now is what does the future of transportation look like? And so we've had this sales tax on the books. It's actually been it was originally put on the books in 1985, and the reasoning was for the expansion of the I-10 and I-17 corridors and for some of our rural state highways. And it did a very nice job of that. 20 years later, the tax was extended by voters. Now it's up again. Now, each time it's been put up, it's been promised to sunset at the end of its 20 year run. And obviously that's not happening. But but there's a really interesting battle going on here right now between the governor and MAG, which is the Maricopa Association of Governments, which is a very left leaning sort of overarching entity that, quite frankly, I don't think should ever been created. But the battle is entirely over, not extending the tax. Everyone has agreed to do that. The battle is over how that money gets spent. Republicans want to spend the you know, they're fine with adding buses and bus rapid transit, but they don't want to expand light rail and they don't want to do something else. That's in the MAG version very specifically. And folks, when folks when people on the left are prescribing transit these days, it's not just light rail, it's not just trains. People tend to like trains, um, for for some really bad reasons, quite frankly. But they do.Chuck Warren: [00:32:59] And if you haven't seen the Modern Family episode on trains, please look it up. Yeah.Sam Stone: [00:33:03] No, that's exactly that's exactly right. I will try to attach that on the end of this thing here if you go to our website. But, but what they don't like is road diets and.Chuck Warren: [00:33:12] And explain to people what a road diet is.Sam Stone: [00:33:14] So a road diet is a prescription that any major arteries if they are two or more travel lanes in each direction, they're going to take a lane away from the from vehicle travel in each direction and replace it with. Again, it sounds really good multimodal multi-use path, right? What that means is a bike path that's going to be empty 99% of the time and a bigger detached sidewalk that especially here in Arizona, is also going to be empty most of the time and taking away a lane of travel. So every two lane road becomes one lane in each direction. Every three lane road becomes two lanes. You're talking about a massive increase, a massive increase in traffic and time and the people doing this. One of the things I always love this, we're going to cut down the emissions because we're going to drive people out of cars. Well, they've done this in a lot of cities Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Los Angeles. They have tied traffic in knots. They certainly haven't reduced emissions and they haven't gotten people out of their cars. They've just managing to make them wait idling longer air.Chuck Warren: [00:34:22] Which causes air pollution.Sam Stone: [00:34:23] Which causes pollution. Yeah.Chuck Warren: [00:34:25] I mean, or supposedly climate warming. Yeah. Well, right. I mean. I mean, is that what they say?Sam Stone: [00:34:29] Right, right. Yeah. No, this is exactly right. So it's counterproductive. The fact is that if people I mean, we did we we we worked together on an initiative to try to to roll back Phoenix's light rail expansion a few years back. Chuck And you actually commissioned some polling in that. One of the questions was, why do you support. If you support light rail, why do you support it? Do you remember what the number one answer was on that survey?Chuck Warren: [00:34:57] Other people off the road.Sam Stone: [00:34:59] Other people.Chuck Warren: [00:35:00] Not you. Other people.Sam Stone: [00:35:02] Right. Nobody answering that. That question envisioned themselves leaving their car at home and hopping on the light rail. They just hoped it would make traffic less inconvenient for them.Chuck Warren: [00:35:12] Exactly.Sam Stone: [00:35:12] Everyone had that same hope. Boy, that's some kind of fallacy right there. I mean, come on.Chuck Warren: [00:35:18] But you're going to see this more and more. And I think, folks, what you have to be aware of, based upon the fiscal calamity in D.C., more of this burden is going to be put upon the states. It is. And conservatives are going to be confronted with the fact that you're going to have to find the money within the budget for transportation and roads and things and nature, which we all need. It's part of economic development and part of safety.Sam Stone: [00:35:42] I'm not against bus and bus rapid transit expansion. Light rail is a bad solution.Chuck Warren: [00:35:47] No, I agree in that. What I'm saying is conservatives are going to have to come up with because of the fiscal problems of District of Columbia and Congress, I think more of this is going to be put on because as more and more so, the one issue that Democrats in the press during the national debt debate were unwilling to confront is so much of our national spending is mandatory. Right? So that means obviously you have less discretionary, which is transportation. More of this is going to be thrown on the states. There's there's no way around it. And folks, you're going to have to judge who your legislators are, who your city council people are yourself, but they're all going to be confronted. How do they find this extra revenue? So you're either going to have to tell them to find it from this area of government. Currently they're spending and cut it and apply it to this or they're going to have the dilemma we have. We've had 40 years now. Here are a half a cent sales tax. It's been efficient in a lot of ways. It's put, you know, it's.Sam Stone: [00:36:45] Put a lot of miles of road on the ground. It's also put a lot of miles of largely unused light rail on the ground.Chuck Warren: [00:36:51] Right? And so you're going to have to make decisions on that. And Sam, and I've always felt regarding light rail, to me, the light rail never works unless the federal government comes in and says, here's hundreds of billions of dollars and we're going to connect everything at once, because what they do is they do this piecemeal thing that makes it completely ineffective.Sam Stone: [00:37:07] Well, also, I mean, one of the one of the if you actually dig into the numbers, light rail is never going to be any kind of rail system does not work unless you have massive density. You have to have population density that does not exist.Chuck Warren: [00:37:21] It just does not work out west.Sam Stone: [00:37:22] Outside of the the East Coast.Chuck Warren: [00:37:24] New York or Chicago or something.Sam Stone: [00:37:25] To a smaller extent. San Francisco, Los Angeles.Chuck Warren: [00:37:28] You probably do Miami, but it's very limited. So anyway, pay attention to that. That's a real debate here. Katie Hobbs, you know, which you would expect from a liberal governor loves, you know, the light rail. And Republicans are like.Sam Stone: [00:37:42] Well, you know why They you know, why they love light rail. You want to know who one of the biggest donors to Democrats is? Horizontal construction. The people that build roads because they're heavily unionized. Right. Right. The union employees make sure that they kick huge amounts of money to Democrats, including at the corporate level. But then obviously, these are the people who build the light rail. If you're talking about spending $30 billion on light rail, the companies here are looking at that as a minimum. I tell you for sure, a minimum of $6 billion of profit out of that 30 billion, 20%. So if they end up giving $1 billion to Democrats to make 5 billion, they do that. And that's exactly what's funding they would probably.Chuck Warren: [00:38:29] Give to to get four. It's a pretty good deal at the end of the day. All right. Let's talk about news for in Dallas is reporting a story and the headline is Realtor Helps LGBTQ. Plus Texans Leave the State Through Rainbow Underground Railroad. There's two fallacies here. And, you know, they've interviewed some people. One, you don't need an underground railroad in America. You just pick up and leave. No one's telling you not to leave. Call U-Haul. No one's. Yeah, call U-Haul if you can find one. No one's. No one's forcing you. No one's forcing you to stay in any state. The only actually the only people forcing you to stay in the state is California who wants to apply taxes on you if you leave. So really, if you need an underground railroad, it's for Gavin Newsom and California's tax.Sam Stone: [00:39:23] Well, see, that's the other side of this truck. You can get a very cheap U-Haul in Texas. Yeah, Yeah. You get a very cheap U-Haul in Texas. As long as you're willing to drive it back to a blue state because nobody's doing that.Chuck Warren: [00:39:33] So in this article, it quotes the lifelong Texan, whose name is Paul Lewis, committed in January to begin looking for somewhere else to move. He explained how two factors solidified that decision, pointing to the growing number of Lbgtq restrictions introduced in the. Slate of session and the deadly mass shootings happening in the state. Now, the latter. Look, we talked about this. People are uncomfortable, right? And if that's something that makes you uncomfortable, that's that's what it is.Sam Stone: [00:40:00] But but let's you and I have slightly different takes on that. But we both agree that this is a big problem, a big problem in terms of the the perception.Chuck Warren: [00:40:08] It's a big problem. It's a big problem for fair. It's a big problem for fair. Right. So, okay, let's go and say that's an issue, right?Sam Stone: [00:40:14] The LGBTQ stuff. Are you kidding?Chuck Warren: [00:40:16] Let's talk about what these restrictions are. What we're simply saying is you can't mutilate mutilate a child. And and and so now this is anti LGBTQ plus legislation saying you can't do irreparable harm. That can't really be reversed.Sam Stone: [00:40:35] Which by the way, is something that every almost now every European country is running to implement these restrictions and not allow this type of, as Jamie.Chuck Warren: [00:40:43] Pointed out, socialized medicine countries are saying you can't do this to children anymore.Sam Stone: [00:40:50] Right now. And countries that are brought up by the left as avatars of left ideology are running from this as fast as they can. They see the harms. This is not going to stop in. American hospitals are making a fortune.Chuck Warren: [00:41:05] And as you said before the show, what's going to happen is you're going to see several huge civil lawsuits that may bankrupt these hospitals who have made a fortune off Covid. But again, the thing that really stuck out at me, so this is what the this is what the left does, they try to frame this. And Republicans are very bad at this. An underground railroad assumes that in secrecy you need a guide to get you out of the hands of slave owners. I mean, no one's I mean, I am sure no one in that neighborhood is saying, oh, Paul, you know, don't let the door hit you on the butt. He sounds like a jerk. And so, you know, it's just one of those things. And it's again, it's again where the Republicans and conservatives are simply failing to communicate their message and they need to stop calling it anti Lbgtq. We start saying this is pro kid legislation.Sam Stone: [00:41:55] Well, it's we're against child mutilation as a pretty straightforward position. I mean, honestly, just like.Chuck Warren: [00:42:01] Look, let kids be kids and they'll figure it out. They want change after 18. Let them do.Sam Stone: [00:42:04] It. Yeah, I don't care what anyone does as an adult. If you're making a decision in your right mind about yourself and that decision is to chop off your genitals, I think you're an idiot, folks. You can. You're an idiot with the right to be an idiot.Chuck Warren: [00:42:16] Look us up at breaking battlegrounds, dot vote or anywhere where you find your podcasts, make sure you review. Make sure you share. We've enjoyed our time with you and we hope for all the fathers out there. You have a fantastic Father's Day. Enjoy your family.Sam Stone: [00:42:30] Barbecue.Chuck Warren: [00:42:30] Something good? Yeah. Take care. 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